The Price of Magic: Continuity?

We’ve heard many times in Once Upon a Time that “all magic comes with a price.” Hopefully that price won’t be storyline continuity.

Evil Queen throwing fire through the magic mirror (S01E09)

"Bet you weren't expecting THIS!"

In the past we’ve seen Evil Queen view others through mirrors: one mirror on her side and another on the side of the person being viewed. In “True North,” Evil Queen used this power to see into Blind Witch’s house, where we observed something new: the Queen sent fire through the mirrors. Brilliant! But at what cost to the story’s logic?

This question becomes more relevant later when the Queen views Snow White with the seven dwarves through a mirror. “Now she’s cavorting with dwarves? When did that happen?” Again, brilliant! (At least it was brilliant to those who had been trying to place Snow’s time with the dwarves in the Fairytale timeline and asking “When did that happen?”) However, since we presume that there wasn’t a mirror in the middle of the road in the middle of the forest, this would seem to indicate that the second mirror isn’t required and the Queen can see whatever she wants. This is fine, and something I believe she could do in other versions of the story, but that combined with the demise of Blind Witch begs the question: why not melt Snow White (see what I did there?) right there in the forest, and maybe take out a few dwarves for good measure?

Snow White and the Seven Dwarves through the Evil Queen's Mirror (S01E09)

"I don't think I have to worry about that whole 'fairest in the land' thing at the moment."

And yes, I know it’s just a story, and a story involving fairytales at that. However, in order for a story to be enjoyable the author must suspend the audience’s disbelief. Magic so powerful that all limitations should, logically, be removed threatens that suspension of disbelief by raising too many “Why didn’t she just …?” questions. Sci-fi also tends to suffer from these problems once too many new technologies and creative solutions to problems have been introduced.

Certain dampers on the Queen’s use of refractive magic could be written into future episodes, such as requiring a second mirror for the flame trick or a scene in which Snow notices a random mirror in the middle of the forest and worries that she doesn’t look like the jewelry type that Evil Queen may have seen them. Even without any of those repairs to storyline logic it may simply be that the Queen was still afraid of killing Snow in a way that would indicate her involvement to the people of the kingdom, or that it wouldn’t have given her the flavor of revenge she desired.

What do you think? Plot hole, or no big deal? Share your reflections in the comments.

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sairafaith 6 pts

my theory is that yes, maybe she can do SOME magic THROUGH the mirror, but it's limited--for example, maybe she could only make the witch burn with the fire because the fire was already there. she just manipulated what was already there. it's just a theory, but still, im sure this isnt the last time we'll see some magic through a mirror and maybe when it happens again it will shed some light on what the limitations are.

DanielJLewis 10 pts moderator

sairafaith That's a nice theory, but the problem is that we saw her with fire in her hands. She then threw that fire through the mirror.

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Malchore 5 pts

Anyone notice Snow is only a tiny bit taller than the other dwarves? <snicker>

sairafaith 6 pts

eh. she's just short. the dwarves in comparison to, say, Charming, would be more drastic. plus, who's to say how short dwarves have to be? they obviously have more characteristics that classify them as "dwarves" than just their height. they all have similarities in their noses and ears and stuff...it's just that "dwarf" is the name theyve been given to describe them, and our mind automatically thinks "shortness" cause we know what the word means. but anyway, all that to say, YES, i noticed shes only a little bit taller :)

NONNIE 6 pts

Off Topic ....... but I am just getting caught up on the podcast. I watch the show casually in that I am usually doing something else when watching the show... making lunches, sewing other household tasks... I do not get into it as deep as you do on the podcast.

My question has to do with Jimmney Cricket in his new incarnation as I am not sure who he is in the show and whose CONSCIOUS is he suppose to be? Is there a new Pionocchio? I am missing connections here. Are there any other reincarnations of other animals in Storybrooke ? I keep looking for the mice from Cinderella that helped her with the housework... ( Wish they would come and do mine, then I could watch sitting down.)

Thanks for any insights,

Nonnie

hjbau 6 pts

NONNIE I think because Jiminy Cricket was born a human and then became a cricket so he is really a guy that is why he is a guy in the real world. I don't think that all the animals from the fairytale world will be humans in the real world. Like the huntsman's wolf was still a wolf and Snow still had blue birds in both worlds.

NONNIE 6 pts

hjbau I am thinking more EASTERN PHILOSOPHY / RELIGION HERE... If you are bad in your life you regress to a lower life from and you have to earn your way back to being a human and you have to be a good human (The best you can be) in order to reach heaven. I was thinking by being good to Pinocchio, Jimmny earned progress to human form. ..... I thought the other animals now human had progressed but they still had the animal (whale / wolf) qualities that they need to advance beyond.

Of course, if you think about it the EVIL QUEEN is racking up some bad karma here.... but as she has been bad in previous reincarnations... and is repeating the same mistakes / evil she will continue to reap hardship, anger, frustration and failure. But then maybe MAGIC beings are exempt from the retributions of karma.

Not sure how sound my EASTERN PHILOSOPHY/ RELIGION understanding is since it was SO VERY LONG AGO that I had a comparative religions class.... I probably scrambled the meaning and understanding of their concepts.

Nonnie

Off topic, but which one of you is the one that does the Rumple laugh? I swear when Rumple did the laugh with Snow on the dock I busted out laughing. I can't hear him do it without thinking of your podcast and the imitation. lollll

DanielJLewis 10 pts moderator

LOL! I can't remember which of us that is, but I do have it on our podcast soundboard. That and "KISS MY BOOT!"

Jeremy Laughlin 7 pts moderator

I don't think any of us has it quite right, but the one we play most is actually from the show. :)

hjbau 6 pts

I laughed out loud when Rumpel did the laugh in this episode. And he did it twice really close together. It is just so funny now for some reason. It is sort of the funny that something gets to be when you haven't gotten enough sleep.

TheBartCave 7 pts

I'm enjoying the reading. Good stuff. The show kind of already answered by the evil queen doesn't just kill her already. The queen says that it would be too easy and she deserves something much worse than a quick death (something like that when she's talking to the Magic Mirror). I know it's an over simplification, but enough an answer to keep us from guessing why.

DanielJLewis 10 pts moderator

TheBartCave Good point. We've never seen the Evil Queen content with a quick death. It always has to be slow and painful to satisfy her wrath.

docxen 6 pts

just thought of something eyes are the windows to the soul...so maybe she can see anything anyone sees who she has their heart.

docxen 6 pts

maybe the queen has invisible television crews and the magic mirror is just hooked into the live feed

docxen 6 pts

remember a reflection doesnt always require a mirror.

DanielJLewis 10 pts moderator

docxen I was thinking the same thing. Consider when the Evil Queen first looked at the Huntsman—no, wait, that was a mirror piece, wasn't it?

Like JeremyLaughlin points out, taking "magic mirror" to "magic reflection" seems an overly convenient and unbelievable stretch.

Jeremy Laughlin 7 pts moderator

Daniel J. Lewisdocxen I might buy the reflection thing, though. I just need SOMETHING to explain why the Queen can't do exactly what she wants when she wants to. I didn't get into it in the blog, but the teleportation trick is potentially problematic as well. It doesn't seem to require much of her, nor is it particularly limited distance-wise.

docxen 6 pts

JeremyLaughlinDaniel J. Lewis no offense but the lost people do seem to do something and then try to fix it with an explanation later on or just ignore it

DanielJLewis 10 pts moderator

docxenJeremyLaughlin I'd say that happens with almost any TV show. They go one direction and decide to add a twist, so they have to fill in some gaps, somehow.

Jeremy Laughlin 7 pts moderator

Daniel J. Lewisdocxen Like this twist: I can see both of you at the same time using just one mirror. Lucky for you I can't shoot fire when I'm in dual-view mode.

docxen 6 pts

JeremyLaughlinDaniel J. Lewis lol and can she get cable on that mirror?

hjbau 6 pts

Jeremy LaughlinDaniel J. Lewisdocxen Maybe she can only teleport line of sight.

Jeremy Laughlin 7 pts moderator

hjbau Good thought, and that would be a good limitation, but she disappeared from Snow White and Prince Charming's wedding and appeared back in her own castle (along with the sword :D).

hjbau 6 pts

Jeremy Laughlin Oh yes. You are right. Maybe she has to have been there or line of sight. The limitations are important. Sometimes i feel like things like this are not well thought out in the show.

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